Comments on: …so I vetoed it.

By: Timmah420

Timmah420 — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:17:18 +0000

First of all, congress already overwhelmingly banned the notion of so called “fetal farms”. That passed and was not vetoed.

Sperm is also life. It’s one step removed from an embryo. Is every male that masturbates or has a wet dream guilty of murder? These are microscopic cells we are talking about here, they don’t have feelings, they don’t think and you can’t see them with the naked eye.

Stop acting like I’m advocating the murder of babies. Scientists have overwhelmingly said that they can’t do all the work necessery with the rules that are being dictated by government. This is setting back the course of medical research and experimentation firms will leave the country because of it.

The bill only allowed stem cells to be taken from discarded embryos from Fertility clinics that had no viability and no potentiality of becoming a fully-grown human. All because Bush didn’t want to cross some bullshit, made up ethical border (the last one he hasn’t crossed mind you) and in doing so , he is by proxy denying proper healthcare to all the sufferers of diseases that could benifit from this research.

Maybe you should step back a second in your defense of life to consider how many might die from diseases that could be cured with this technology. Go to them and tell them that they have to die because you believe that every microscopic embryo has as much right to live as they do, even though they will never actually become human, as they are unusable to implant.

Just fucking try it, you work in a hospital, I dare you to ask what an alzheimers patient thinks of this, a pakinson’s patient ect.

So you value life, but want to nuke the middle east huh? Bullshit. You just say that because it’s convienient.

By: Raven

Raven — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:17:15 +0000

I believe that embryos are a part of the cycle of life. It’s as simple as that Timmah. And I value life.
I cannot support research that might someday include embryo farms- people making money MAKING embryos for research and, MAYBE, just MAYBE, cures. And I haven’t heard any proof that these embryos have been discarded or will be discarded. They’re frozen and will remain so.

Have you looked at the other alternatives? It’s amazing. I need to read more about it all…

By: Raven

Raven — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:14:17 +0000

Well Timmah I don’t agree with you, and I admit that I’m not a scholar with this. I have done some reading and there does seem to be other alternatives.

Why won’t private enterprise pick up the funding of this? Because there isn’t enough evidence that money is to be made. THAT says a lot. Think about it.

All Bush did was veto a ruling that would have allowed federal funding (AKA taxpayer monies) to go towards the research. He did not veto the actual research.

By: Timmah420

Timmah420 — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:48:25 +0000

It’s a fucking embryo. You can’t even see it with the naked eye. They’re going to be discarded anyway, that was the whole point of the bill, it uses discarded embryos. Do you people even have a concept of what you’re talking about?

Yeah, it’s all theory, and it’s not like all science fact as we know it began as theory. Derp. Besides, these cures are decades away, so why start?

Bravo on that whole sticking to your guns thing, setting back the course of medical reserach be damned. Forget the countless real human lives that could be saved with the potential technology. I’m sure you’ll still think this is great when medical companies take their research out of your country.

Won’t somebody please think of the invisible to the naked eye, microscpoic collection of cells, going to be discarded and die anyway children?

What in the fuck?

By: CaptDMO

CaptDMO — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:20:35 +0000

Blah blah blah “for the children” etc.
How long has the massive “fight against cancer” with
massive donations for “research” gone on?
Why do the results from this research, and that for HIV/AIDS, have so many patents attached to the {very expensive)”intellectual property” owned by big pharma like merismithklibeachglaxwelcom?

At THIS time, meaning things change of course, computer modles are far superior for quite a bit of
“research”. As far as placental blood and tissue goes, I believe this might be better used in the already proven usefullness in addressing problems that may affect the original owner.

Oooo, eliminate death in our lifetime. Folks seem to be ignoring the value of natural selection. I’d rather see less survivors of nature that seem to need condos built on farmland BEFORE the issue turns to the ‘moral” issue of soilient(sp)green.

I do NOT discount the same dilemma raised at a time when students of “medicine” and biology suffered a shortage of “study materials”, and how THAT was distastfully addressed.

I’d hate to think that an economy based on the trafficing in body parts of dead humans would flourish. Like any other commodity, ethics have a way of being brushed aside, in the interest of gold,
by the nice folks in the “First, do no harm” club.

Oops, it’s STILL going on.