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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://andrightlyso.com/2006/11/13/progressing-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-45847</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dog --

You are 10000000% RIGHT.

SR --

We have had a war declared on us by an enemy that has no national flag, but whose &quot;army&quot; is dead serious. They are not interested in going head-to-head with our military, they prefer to murder civilians in the largest quantities possible in order to terrorize the public into demanding that the government surrender to the whims of fanatics.

People of your mindset listen to the enemy propaganda that attaches blame for this war on things the US has done, yet if you had the intelligence to do a little research, you would find that there is a slight chronological problem: Much of what they blame us for has occurred AFTER their so-called revenge for it.

A lot of your fellow airheads believe that the acts of 11 Sep 2001 were revenge for our invasion of Iraq in 2003. That, or you ignore the terror ops of the 1990s, on Clinton&#039;s watch and claim that G W Bush&#039;s policies or actions are responsible for terrorism.

Your callous remarks re 9/11 were typical of a liberal, you folks really couldn&#039;t care less about human life, as long as your own isn&#039;t endangered. You are so full of feces it drips from your nostrils (how unladylike!).

I have read your comments here at Raven&#039;s place for some time, and attempted to be civil by not responding to them, but what you have commented in this thread is just so characteristic of the true intolerance, ignorance and treason by liberals not just to the US and other western countries, but to modern civilization, humanity and decency.

You moron, you and your kind would see us all enslaved by a dogma that would not only deprive us of even an iota of freedom or self determination, but would deform, brutally torture or behead us for the slightest misdemeanor, including stating an opinion on the most picayune subject.

You, SR, are one mentally defective human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dog &#8211;</p>
<p>You are 10000000% RIGHT.</p>
<p>SR &#8211;</p>
<p>We have had a war declared on us by an enemy that has no national flag, but whose &#8220;army&#8221; is dead serious. They are not interested in going head-to-head with our military, they prefer to murder civilians in the largest quantities possible in order to terrorize the public into demanding that the government surrender to the whims of fanatics.</p>
<p>People of your mindset listen to the enemy propaganda that attaches blame for this war on things the US has done, yet if you had the intelligence to do a little research, you would find that there is a slight chronological problem: Much of what they blame us for has occurred AFTER their so-called revenge for it.</p>
<p>A lot of your fellow airheads believe that the acts of 11 Sep 2001 were revenge for our invasion of Iraq in 2003. That, or you ignore the terror ops of the 1990s, on Clinton&#8217;s watch and claim that G W Bush&#8217;s policies or actions are responsible for terrorism.</p>
<p>Your callous remarks re 9/11 were typical of a liberal, you folks really couldn&#8217;t care less about human life, as long as your own isn&#8217;t endangered. You are so full of feces it drips from your nostrils (how unladylike!).</p>
<p>I have read your comments here at Raven&#8217;s place for some time, and attempted to be civil by not responding to them, but what you have commented in this thread is just so characteristic of the true intolerance, ignorance and treason by liberals not just to the US and other western countries, but to modern civilization, humanity and decency.</p>
<p>You moron, you and your kind would see us all enslaved by a dogma that would not only deprive us of even an iota of freedom or self determination, but would deform, brutally torture or behead us for the slightest misdemeanor, including stating an opinion on the most picayune subject.</p>
<p>You, SR, are one mentally defective human being.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://andrightlyso.com/2006/11/13/progressing-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-45844</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Beth: It has to be accepted that death happens, and sometimes its overreacted to.

911, big attacks… wow, two thousand deaths! Thats slightly more people than are killed in car accidents in the US every *month*. So dig up the survivers, tidy up the rubble, erect a memorial statue just get on with things, please. There is no need to throw civil rights out the window and start looking for a fight.&lt;/em&gt;

I have to agree.  And in agreement I say, it has to be accepted, death happens and that is what happens to the folks we are fighting in Iraq, so don&#039;t over react to it.  They are dying, no big deal because death happens. 

Now, no civil liberties have been taken away and I defy anyone to prove that one law abiding American has had his civil liberties taken away.  If he is caught on the battlefield, we get to keep them captive as long as we are at war, just the law of warfare.  Terrorists and illegals have no civil liberties in this country.  Civil liberties are extended to the citizens of the USA.  Civil is defined as:
1 a : of or relating to citizens b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry 

Therefore, non-citizens do not have civil anything so get off that bandwagon (it helps if you know the language before you speak, or in this case write).

let us say for the sake of argument that 150,000 Iraqis have died.  I don&#039;t believe that and no one has proved it but let us assume it because people like to believe it is true.  That is half the amount killed by Hussein and only 6 hundredths of the number of Jews killed by Hitler.  So, cry a few tears, build a memorial.  As for looking for the fight, the Islamic terrorists (redundant, I know) struck the first blow, they were looking for the fight.  They did not expect the reaction they received and they are not happy about it.  They will only be happy when the cowards here start looking to make this a law enforcement issue (call the police) and stop treating it as a war.  The spineless cowards that make up the left will hand them the victory.  I know that if the fight ever comes here, I will either shoot liberals first and then the Muzzies or send the libs out to be killed by the Muzzies, I just have not decided.

Uncomfortable with the way things are being handled?  Then you are free to move out.  If you don&#039;t live here, have a cup of shut the hell up and mind your own business.

The problem is, the people in this world have forgotten how we bailed their asses out of trouble time and again.  The Brits, the Germans, the French, hell all of Europe.  Time and again we are either fighting a war for them or sending anything needed to mop up a disaster.  What say we just say the hell with it, annex Iraq and take their oil, throw out all the ILLEGALS and non citizens in this country, shut our borders and stop spending our money around the world and isolate ourselves.  Shoot anyone on sight entering and make sure we stay that way until the rest of them are begging for help, then we shut the door again.  I am tired of mopping up all the abortions in the world only to get pissed on by the ingrates.  They tell us we can&#039;t be the world&#039;s police but the minute there is trouble they call 911America!
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Beth: It has to be accepted that death happens, and sometimes its overreacted to.</p>
<p>911, big attacks… wow, two thousand deaths! Thats slightly more people than are killed in car accidents in the US every *month*. So dig up the survivers, tidy up the rubble, erect a memorial statue just get on with things, please. There is no need to throw civil rights out the window and start looking for a fight.</em></p>
<p>I have to agree.  And in agreement I say, it has to be accepted, death happens and that is what happens to the folks we are fighting in Iraq, so don&#8217;t over react to it.  They are dying, no big deal because death happens. </p>
<p>Now, no civil liberties have been taken away and I defy anyone to prove that one law abiding American has had his civil liberties taken away.  If he is caught on the battlefield, we get to keep them captive as long as we are at war, just the law of warfare.  Terrorists and illegals have no civil liberties in this country.  Civil liberties are extended to the citizens of the USA.  Civil is defined as:<br />
1 a : of or relating to citizens b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry </p>
<p>Therefore, non-citizens do not have civil anything so get off that bandwagon (it helps if you know the language before you speak, or in this case write).</p>
<p>let us say for the sake of argument that 150,000 Iraqis have died.  I don&#8217;t believe that and no one has proved it but let us assume it because people like to believe it is true.  That is half the amount killed by Hussein and only 6 hundredths of the number of Jews killed by Hitler.  So, cry a few tears, build a memorial.  As for looking for the fight, the Islamic terrorists (redundant, I know) struck the first blow, they were looking for the fight.  They did not expect the reaction they received and they are not happy about it.  They will only be happy when the cowards here start looking to make this a law enforcement issue (call the police) and stop treating it as a war.  The spineless cowards that make up the left will hand them the victory.  I know that if the fight ever comes here, I will either shoot liberals first and then the Muzzies or send the libs out to be killed by the Muzzies, I just have not decided.</p>
<p>Uncomfortable with the way things are being handled?  Then you are free to move out.  If you don&#8217;t live here, have a cup of shut the hell up and mind your own business.</p>
<p>The problem is, the people in this world have forgotten how we bailed their asses out of trouble time and again.  The Brits, the Germans, the French, hell all of Europe.  Time and again we are either fighting a war for them or sending anything needed to mop up a disaster.  What say we just say the hell with it, annex Iraq and take their oil, throw out all the ILLEGALS and non citizens in this country, shut our borders and stop spending our money around the world and isolate ourselves.  Shoot anyone on sight entering and make sure we stay that way until the rest of them are begging for help, then we shut the door again.  I am tired of mopping up all the abortions in the world only to get pissed on by the ingrates.  They tell us we can&#8217;t be the world&#8217;s police but the minute there is trouble they call 911America!<br />
Put that in you pipe and smoke it.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it...but I think ANY number of people lost in any attack is never worth a fight back...to liberals and appeasement freaks. No. Just call the cops and have them investigate and gather evidence and do a crime scene workup. Yeah...if they&#039;re careful enough they might even get fingerprints!! (Off a smoldering burning pile of melted steel and concrete no less!!)Arrests? WHO?? The bone fragments of the suicide terrorists?? IdiOt SR....you&#039;re being an idiOt. Grow up and have a look around...oh wait...in Britain you folks haven&#039;t lost enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it&#8230;but I think ANY number of people lost in any attack is never worth a fight back&#8230;to liberals and appeasement freaks. No. Just call the cops and have them investigate and gather evidence and do a crime scene workup. Yeah&#8230;if they&#8217;re careful enough they might even get fingerprints!! (Off a smoldering burning pile of melted steel and concrete no less!!)Arrests? WHO?? The bone fragments of the suicide terrorists?? IdiOt SR&#8230;.you&#8217;re being an idiOt. Grow up and have a look around&#8230;oh wait&#8230;in Britain you folks haven&#8217;t lost enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,
I hope they do stop searching Muzzies.  Then, when I travel (which I do a lot) I will claim I am a Muzzie and they will have to leave me alone.

How about we ban profiling little old ladies or members of the military who never complain when they are searched and are the ones killing the towel heads trying to harm us.

Always take a few sharpened pencils with you on the plane.  They are great weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,<br />
I hope they do stop searching Muzzies.  Then, when I travel (which I do a lot) I will claim I am a Muzzie and they will have to leave me alone.</p>
<p>How about we ban profiling little old ladies or members of the military who never complain when they are searched and are the ones killing the towel heads trying to harm us.</p>
<p>Always take a few sharpened pencils with you on the plane.  They are great weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://andrightlyso.com/2006/11/13/progressing-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-45832</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that we did not have the &quot;call the police&quot; mentality when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Disproportionate is how you view it, fine but the examples are apples and oranges.  When there is an alcohol related accident we go after the person who committed it.  Since there is a law that governs the behavior we can do something.  The law that involves being attacked by terrorists or anyone else is the law of warfare.  It was a military attack, not a damned call the police crime.

How about we let the military fight the war and the armchair quarterbacks go do their jobs.  I promise the military will not tell you how to do your job if you don&#039;t tell them how to do theirs.  They are willing to fight for what they believe in so that you have the option not to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that we did not have the &#8220;call the police&#8221; mentality when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.</p>
<p>Disproportionate is how you view it, fine but the examples are apples and oranges.  When there is an alcohol related accident we go after the person who committed it.  Since there is a law that governs the behavior we can do something.  The law that involves being attacked by terrorists or anyone else is the law of warfare.  It was a military attack, not a damned call the police crime.</p>
<p>How about we let the military fight the war and the armchair quarterbacks go do their jobs.  I promise the military will not tell you how to do your job if you don&#8217;t tell them how to do theirs.  They are willing to fight for what they believe in so that you have the option not to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://andrightlyso.com/2006/11/13/progressing-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-45828</link>
		<dc:creator>Ogre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suricou Raven, you just keep singing &quot;Kumbaya&quot; while they come for you and your family and saw off your heads while you wait for the &quot;police&quot; to arrive.  Look, we know you&#039;re incapable of defending a country.  That&#039;s fine, just stop getting in the damn way of those of us who would prefer to live in freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suricou Raven, you just keep singing &#8220;Kumbaya&#8221; while they come for you and your family and saw off your heads while you wait for the &#8220;police&#8221; to arrive.  Look, we know you&#8217;re incapable of defending a country.  That&#8217;s fine, just stop getting in the damn way of those of us who would prefer to live in freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Suricou Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suricou Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth: It has to be accepted that death happens, and sometimes its overreacted to. Do we ban all cars every time someone crashes, or confiscate cutlery after each stabbing? Perhaps every alcohol-related death should lead to a temporary revival of prohibition.

There is an appropriate level of response. And even for two thousand deaths, I dont think that response is to start a war on an abstract noun. A war that certinly has killed a lot more people than died in the attack itsself. And the correct response is certinly not to throw constitutional rights out the window and set up shadowy offshore interrogation camps so people can be detained indefinately and tortured without a fair trial.

People died, yes. So get the police involved, find out who did it, call in the military if they have overseas support, and arrest them. Tighten security measures afterwards too, but dont go overboard. Its completly disproportionate to turn the US into the international gunslinger, attacking wherever there is a hint of suspicious activity. That is not an action to seek safety, but one to seek revenge.

And on a related note, I direct you to my own blog entry on a similar topic: http://moronality.blogspot.com/2006/11/its-not-end-of-world.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth: It has to be accepted that death happens, and sometimes its overreacted to. Do we ban all cars every time someone crashes, or confiscate cutlery after each stabbing? Perhaps every alcohol-related death should lead to a temporary revival of prohibition.</p>
<p>There is an appropriate level of response. And even for two thousand deaths, I dont think that response is to start a war on an abstract noun. A war that certinly has killed a lot more people than died in the attack itsself. And the correct response is certinly not to throw constitutional rights out the window and set up shadowy offshore interrogation camps so people can be detained indefinately and tortured without a fair trial.</p>
<p>People died, yes. So get the police involved, find out who did it, call in the military if they have overseas support, and arrest them. Tighten security measures afterwards too, but dont go overboard. Its completly disproportionate to turn the US into the international gunslinger, attacking wherever there is a hint of suspicious activity. That is not an action to seek safety, but one to seek revenge.</p>
<p>And on a related note, I direct you to my own blog entry on a similar topic: <a href="http://moronality.blogspot.com/2006/11/its-not-end-of-world.html" rel="nofollow">http://moronality.blogspot.com/2006/11/its-not-end-of-world.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ogre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ogre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep your ammo dry -- since the government won&#039;t use it, we&#039;ll have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep your ammo dry &#8212; since the government won&#8217;t use it, we&#8217;ll have to.</p>
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