Comments on: The Hypocrisy of Religion http://andrightlyso.com/2008/07/17/the-hypocrisy-of-religion/ Live Free Or Die Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:22:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Raven http://andrightlyso.com/2008/07/17/the-hypocrisy-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-72731 Raven Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:37:56 +0000 http://andrightlyso.com/?p=5136#comment-72731 Duncan, I have never been religious and don't know, haven't read, Bibles and all that stuff. I form my opinions based on people's behaviors, and too often their words go against their behaviors. I don't mean once in a while either- I mean 99% of the time. When I spoke of lust, I used it as an example of the biggest DAIS/NAID: Men always look and drop and drool, LUST, at women. That's normal I guess...but when it becomes a daily thing, when men seek out web sites and magazines with images of air brushed ladies- it's a problem. And from what I see its the religious men who do this far more than non-religious men. I cannot help but think there is a connection. I wonder if religious men are trying to live to some standard that goes against their very natural instincts. You may call it a struggle but I call it fighting Mother Nature. I don't think religious men can ever be content because they will always be in the fight. A little lust can go a long way in marriages- when the lust is aimed at the other. Problem is, we get to USED to the other and they no longer appear sexy. Routines, familiarity and boredom set in. I have personally seen how this ruins marriages- and the men always claim to be religious. I know it for fact. Hypocrites of high order indeed. Same with women but not as bad and blatant. I tend to see, and believe in the science of human sexuality and behavior. Science is proven and explains much. Religion is all blurry and subjective and not absolute. It often makes no sense and goes against everything I have experienced, seen, been involved with. It's hard to buy into it all when there is another very probable reasoning for all things. Duncan,
I have never been religious and don’t know, haven’t read, Bibles and all that stuff. I form my opinions based on people’s behaviors, and too often their words go against their behaviors. I don’t mean once in a while either- I mean 99% of the time.

When I spoke of lust, I used it as an example of the biggest DAIS/NAID: Men always look and drop and drool, LUST, at women. That’s normal I guess…but when it becomes a daily thing, when men seek out web sites and magazines with images of air brushed ladies- it’s a problem. And from what I see its the religious men who do this far more than non-religious men. I cannot help but think there is a connection. I wonder if religious men are trying to live to some standard that goes against their very natural instincts. You may call it a struggle but I call it fighting Mother Nature. I don’t think religious men can ever be content because they will always be in the fight.

A little lust can go a long way in marriages- when the lust is aimed at the other. Problem is, we get to USED to the other and they no longer appear sexy. Routines, familiarity and boredom set in. I have personally seen how this ruins marriages- and the men always claim to be religious. I know it for fact. Hypocrites of high order indeed. Same with women but not as bad and blatant.

I tend to see, and believe in the science of human sexuality and behavior. Science is proven and explains much. Religion is all blurry and subjective and not absolute. It often makes no sense and goes against everything I have experienced, seen, been involved with. It’s hard to buy into it all when there is another very probable reasoning for all things.

]]> By: Michele Antionette http://andrightlyso.com/2008/07/17/the-hypocrisy-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-72729 Michele Antionette Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:14:14 +0000 http://andrightlyso.com/?p=5136#comment-72729 I am more of a spiritual person rather than just a 'christian'. That word is used far too often by people who want to either earn your trust to take advantage of a situation. Read your bible and you'll see that Jesus did not only preach in a building called a 'church' and there fore, you don't have to go to church every time the doors swing open to be a christian. You should not have to announce to the world that you are a christian because if you do then who are you trying to convince, me or you? All you have to do is read what I have written and where there are two or more discussing Jesus or God, then we're in church. And that's my opinion!!!!! Madam Antionette I am more of a spiritual person rather than just a ‘christian’. That word is used far too often by people who want to either earn your trust to take advantage of a situation. Read your bible and you’ll see that Jesus did not only preach in a building called a ‘church’ and there fore, you don’t have to go to church every time the doors swing open to be a christian. You should not have to announce to the world that you are a christian because if you do then who are you trying to convince, me or you? All you have to do is read what I have written and where there are two or more discussing Jesus or God, then we’re in church. And that’s my opinion!!!!!

Madam Antionette

]]> By: Chicken Soup For The Terrorist Soul http://andrightlyso.com/2008/07/17/the-hypocrisy-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-72725 Chicken Soup For The Terrorist Soul Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:44:18 +0000 http://andrightlyso.com/?p=5136#comment-72725 People seek power over others. If hypocracy serves that goal, then they'll be hypocrits. People seek power over others. If hypocracy serves that goal, then they’ll be hypocrits.

]]> By: Duncan http://andrightlyso.com/2008/07/17/the-hypocrisy-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-72724 Duncan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:23:36 +0000 http://andrightlyso.com/?p=5136#comment-72724 I respectfully disagree with you Raven on this. Because there are those who do not "walk the walk" even after "talking the talk" does not necessarily negate the good that comes from organized religion. There are many men and women who are indeed moral and live lives according to their religions. And there are those who try and struggle, yet continue to do things that are against their religion. And those people become hypocrites when they do not acknowledge that they are imperfect, just like those who don't follow their beliefs, and act self-righteous. Those people do indeed make me ill as they misrepresent my fellow Christians. I am a Christian, and I'll be the first to say I am imperfect. I don't think I am any better than anyone else. I just believe that I'm saved through Christ Jesus. That is the difference. Even the Apostle Paul, a man credited with being one of the greatest of Jesus's followers, admitted that he fell short of the words he preached... <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%207;&version=31;">Romans 7:14-25</a> <blockquote> 14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. </blockquote> It is those who do not even try or attempt to live the life they know their religion calls for, those who put on the trappings of religion yet live a different life, they are the ones who should question themselves and their apparent hypocrisy. But I reject the argument that religion itself is evil, or worthless, or filled with hypocrisy. Lusting after women? Because it ISN'T about relationships. It ISN'T about love. It is the feel good, do it mentality. It leads to other evil thoughts, like rape, incest, adultery. Do I "lust" after my wife... I do not think so, not in that sense. I love my wife, and because I find her physically attractive, I more than desire her sexually. But a woman I just find attractive, and I want her sexually only to throw her to the side when I'm done... that's lust... and that doesn't lead to the betterment of anyone in the end... And modesty? It applies to both sexes. If you read Song of Solomon in the Old Testament, it is quite obvious that sex is not something that God finds evil or abhorrent. Its sex outside the rules He set for proper relationships that is wrong. And once again, I'm no choir boy on this either. I'll admit I sure as hell stuggle with lust and desire, just like every other man... its just do we have the self-control? Some more so than others. But because there are those who fail to hold up their standards to what they hold others or their values... just because people pretty much ignore the Constitution in Washington D.C., do we just say the Constitution itself is invalid? Or because the Republicans look more the New Deal Democrats that conservatism itself is invalid. Just trying to find an analogy. This is not meant to be an attack on you Raven, just my response to what you wrote. The nice thing about Christianity is it is indeed about freewill. You are free to come and leave, free to make your choices. But like all choices, there are consequences to them, and people have to learn to live with them. I respectfully disagree with you Raven on this. Because there are those who do not “walk the walk” even after “talking the talk” does not necessarily negate the good that comes from organized religion. There are many men and women who are indeed moral and live lives according to their religions. And there are those who try and struggle, yet continue to do things that are against their religion. And those people become hypocrites when they do not acknowledge that they are imperfect, just like those who don’t follow their beliefs, and act self-righteous. Those people do indeed make me ill as they misrepresent my fellow Christians. I am a Christian, and I’ll be the first to say I am imperfect. I don’t think I am any better than anyone else. I just believe that I’m saved through Christ Jesus. That is the difference. Even the Apostle Paul, a man credited with being one of the greatest of Jesus’s followers, admitted that he fell short of the words he preached…

Romans 7:14-25

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

It is those who do not even try or attempt to live the life they know their religion calls for, those who put on the trappings of religion yet live a different life, they are the ones who should question themselves and their apparent hypocrisy. But I reject the argument that religion itself is evil, or worthless, or filled with hypocrisy.

Lusting after women? Because it ISN’T about relationships. It ISN’T about love. It is the feel good, do it mentality. It leads to other evil thoughts, like rape, incest, adultery. Do I “lust” after my wife… I do not think so, not in that sense. I love my wife, and because I find her physically attractive, I more than desire her sexually. But a woman I just find attractive, and I want her sexually only to throw her to the side when I’m done… that’s lust… and that doesn’t lead to the betterment of anyone in the end…

And modesty? It applies to both sexes. If you read Song of Solomon in the Old Testament, it is quite obvious that sex is not something that God finds evil or abhorrent. Its sex outside the rules He set for proper relationships that is wrong. And once again, I’m no choir boy on this either. I’ll admit I sure as hell stuggle with lust and desire, just like every other man… its just do we have the self-control? Some more so than others.

But because there are those who fail to hold up their standards to what they hold others or their values… just because people pretty much ignore the Constitution in Washington D.C., do we just say the Constitution itself is invalid? Or because the Republicans look more the New Deal Democrats that conservatism itself is invalid. Just trying to find an analogy.

This is not meant to be an attack on you Raven, just my response to what you wrote. The nice thing about Christianity is it is indeed about freewill. You are free to come and leave, free to make your choices. But like all choices, there are consequences to them, and people have to learn to live with them.

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