I love this pick for many of the same reasons you have provided. It appears that she is striking fear amongst the leftards.

I would love to go see Mcain/Palin on Saturday but then I would have to miss the Lobos spanking A&M.

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Also, Carlos, forgot to mention in my last post that the democrats are the ones who have stood for raising minimum wage for the average “working guy” that you champion.

If you both agree with many of my basic positions, why do you so hate democrats with a fervor.. enough for this post to call them Nazis and communists among other things. The name calling gets so out of hand that this post loses credibility. The “Messiah” label is a transparent attempt to pose Obama as the bogeyman antichrist and scare the people who don’t think beyond that. It’s an insult to the importance of the political race.

And Carlos, I’ve made an attempt for normal discussion about the issues here. You have called me “sophist” and that I “can’t even take the time to discover such a simple concept.” –who’s the elitist?

As far as “my own body” goes, I can find nothing in the Constitution that allows the feds to make laws affecting abortion one way or the other. My personal opinion is that it is murder, but that is a question properly left to the individual states to decide. The same with gay “marriage”. They are both abominations to me personally, but I would have a real hard time supporting a federal ban on either and still believe the Constitution means what it says.

And as far as having a “weak marriage”, what parsec of space did that come from because it wasn’t from this solar system?

Sorry to break the news to you, but George Bush/Dick Cheney are not running for President in 2008. Our choice is between Barack Obama/Joe Biden vs. John McCain/Susan Palin.

What I find curious is that I agree with a fair number of your basic positions (fiscal responsibility, smaller government, better controls over gov’t contracts, less special interest laws for favored companies) and possibly with some others, if I correctly interpret what you’re really saying once we got beyond cliche and talking points. The irony, though is that I see McCain more likely to effect these desirable policies than Obama, since Obama’s program is a rehash of the 60’s/70’s totalitarian left playbook. The central precept of the totalitarian left is that the State owns the individual.

Divided government has great merit in limiting the ability of the government to do harm.

Here’s the crux of it for me. Most of the attacks on Obama on this site are based on some image thing (elitist) instead of policy. I don’t get from these posts exactly why you hate/despise Obama so much. Most of the hate-filled nonsense about liberals is so bizarre and off fact I wonder what you are all possibly reading. I am a liberal and here is what I (and the liberals I know) believe:

I believe in fiscal responsibility. You don’t pay for welfare OR wars if you can’t afford it and don’t have the money.
I believe in smaller government because anything more is just bloated bureaucracy and costs too much, and I’m angry that Bush has bloated beyond all means.
I believe that if a corporation gets rich on Americans, they should hire Americans. They should not get special tax breaks. They should be held accountable for polluting. They can figure out how to be clean AND profitable. We should NOT be funneling our money into China and having all our goods made there.
I believe we should have been independent of fossil fuels years ago, we have to do something about it NOW, that we have the brains and the finances, and we should NOT be sending all our money to fund enemies in the Middle East.
I believe the war in Iraq was and is a criminal waste of lives and treasure for the personal goals of a few people.
I believe no one else should tell me what to do with my body.
I believe that we hold to the Geneva conventions if we hope for other countries to do the same for our soldiers. We don’t make up reasons why “this one” doesn’t count.
I believe that we need universal health care because what we have is not working, and other countries have managed to do it well, and that stories to the contrary are propaganda. We have the ingenuity to do it right.
I believe we should not be outsourcing war contracts to companies that have insider opportunities and have stolen (lost?) billions of dollars from the taxpayer.
I believe in kicking out illegal aliens and that Bush’s “worker” program is just a way to create a legal slave-wage class.
I believe that Gay’s who love each other and want to marry aren’t hurting a soul by doing so, and anyone who thinks they are hurting the “institution of marriage” must have a weak marriage.

I also believe that this administration has been run by a President that does not have the wisdom or intelligence for the job. That this administration has favored big corporations over the American people every time, because big corporations make big contributions. That George Bush started this war to 1. have another foothold in the middle east because that’s where the oil is, and 2. because he wanted to be THE GUY who brought democracy to Iraq. Neither good enough reasons to destroy a country, spend billions of dollars and kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis. That he lied without conscience to get us into Iraq- that doing so showed a huge lack of respect for those who signed on to actually DEFEND our country. That his being pro-life is horse crap when he has such disregard for human life. That his tax breaks for the rich were fiscally criminal during wartime as well as his refusal to ask Americans to sacrifice anything. That his ignoring the health care crisis and the energy crisis shows a profound lack of leadership. I believe the Republicans have fostered “anti-intellectualism” for their own gain, which is Maoist and irresponsible, and yes, unpatriotic, as our intellect and creativity is what made us a superpower in the first place.

I grew up in a family whose worship of intelligence was nearly unbounded. Looking back, it is disgusting, but I can’t change that. What I can do is appreciate what people who produce do for our society as a whole, instead of denigrating them to some second-class status, as most of my professors did.

What I can’t appreciate is some whiny do-nothing whose whole existence is to be served by the guvmint and who is offended at the lightest suggestion that maybe, just maybe, one ought to be able to provide something for one’s self, and I don’t appreciate those who promote such behavior.

As far as having an educated surgeon work on me (as has happened), or on my son’s two brain tumors, yes, that’s a lot better than my wife or neighbor doing that. But typically, you’re changing the argument. I have never said education or educated people are bad. What I said was that most college professors are elitist, and now I’ve explained why I believe that.

And as for educated people running foreign policy, it would depend upon whether they were grounded in the reality of human nature, and Obama is either not aware of true evil and of evil people in the world, or he chooses to ignore that in pursuit of his own goals. The reality is you can’t win an argument with evil because evil is not reasonable, so “diplomacy” with evil people only buys the evil ones more time to perform their dastardly deeds. That may not rise to the status of “issue” for you, but it certainly does for me.

So that’s where Bunny went! Honestly, i couldn’t understand what half his posts were anyway and wow could he cuss. glad to hear you don’t scan posts :biggrin:

The national poverty threshold for a single person is $10,400 (wikipedia: poverty threshold). However, there is the concept of the “working poor”. It’s where people who work make enough so that they don’t qualify for assistance, yet don’t make enough for an adequate standard of living. People who work that are still poor. That’s a rough spot to be in and in some ways it’s harder to pull yourself out of that situation then it would be if you were just regular poor. It’s hard to know just how many “working poor” there are in America because by normal standards the working poor have jobs, contribute to society, and are getting by. The fact that they don’t stand out in most surveys makes them really hard to help.

I don’t think most people view abortion as a form of birth control (I really wish I had a source for this). Having an abortion is a horrible experience weather you’re pro-life or pro-choice. I think when you start holding abortions in the same standard as birth control you make the connection that using birth control is also a pro-life or pro-choice question (its not). I’m only mentioning the abortion-birth control connection because you briefly talk about how abortion mitigates the consequences of slutty behavior (…but the consequences are hard and abortion takes that away.). In theory birth control also mitigates the consequences of slutty behavior but I don’t think you can make a good connection between the two.

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