I’m thus closing comments here.

2) Do the recipients of the money disbursed from the Alaska Permanent Fund include individuals who have done nothing to earn the money used to create to Alaska Permanent Fund?

For instance he says :

Then Raven will have no problem whatsoever citing the post or comment in which I make the argument that “any use of government funds, however dervived [sic], is socialism”. I challenge Raven to do so.

Did Meaty actually say those words, directly. No, he didn’t say that. However, here is Meaty’s position:

1. Money is being taken by the State of Alaska from the private companies interested in developing and harvesting the natural resources of Alaska. This is their “fraction of wealth” that Meaty describes.

2. That money is being taken by the State and then given to ALL of the citizens of Alaska. (We’ll ignore the fact that the money actually given to the citizen comes from the dividends that the State of Alaska recieves after investing that money.)

3. Therefore, this is a redistribution of wealth, or socialism.

Meaty also makes the claim that non-profits are beneficiaries of socialism :

I pay my taxes every year.

The church down the street does not.

Yet they get the benefit of my taxes: police and fire protection, hookups to the water and sewer systems, the maintenance of the road that leads to my house and their parking lot.

In a very real sense, I am being required to “share my wealth” with them.

Isn’t that the very wingnut definition of socialism.

Once again, someone is benefitting from tax dollars paid by others. Or in Meaty’s little mind, socialism.

The logic here is that unless you paid directly into those taxes, you should recieve no benefit from them. And by Meaty’s self-serving definition to prove his hypothesis, you are left with no where to go but accept that any form of government money can only be spent on taxpayers, lest you support socialism.

The federal government spends tax dollars on defense and the us postal service, two Constitutionally mandated programs. According to Meaty, unless you paid taxes, you are not allowed to enjoy the protection of one or the use of the other, even if someone sends YOU a letter. After all, you didn’t pay taxes. I have never said that taxes are all bad.

After all, if we all paid our fair share, as opposed to the progressive income tax we currently have (and is a supporting plank of Marxism as written in the Communist Manifesto), then there would be no argument of socialism, as every one pays, everyone can benefit. Our very income tax structure NOW is socialism, we just happen to tolerate it.

But back to the APF and Meaty’s argument that Sarah Palin is a closet socialist. These fees and funds are taken and invested, as opposed to given directly to the people. These fees and funds, I guess, could be blown on some state program that benefits only the extremely poor, lazy, or a combination of both. Instead they are invested, and then the dividends are paid to all Alaskans.

But its socialism silly. Atleast according to Meaty.

1) Is the money that is used to create to Alaska Permanent Fund taken from companies that develop Alaska’s mineral resources?

2) Do the recipients of the money disbursed from the Alaska Permanent Fund include individuals who have done nothing to earn the money used to create to Alaska Permanent Fund?

Open discussion of the claims made in Duncan’s post is terrifying to Raven and her fellow wingnuts.

“You did indeed make the argument.”

Then Raven will have no problem whatsoever citing the post or comment in which I make the argument that “any use of government funds, however dervived [sic], is socialism”. I challenge Raven to do so.

A great many of the peoples of Alaska have a vested interest in that Pipeline; the communities most populated surround it; many worked on building it and now work to maintain it. That, or they work in factories that build the supplies and parts replacements needed. Not all of the citizens, but most. THEY all voted to approve the line being built…everyone had a say. To give back some money, out of the dividends earned, is good. It’s a return of investment.You did indeed make the argument. And as usual, you try to change your intent when you lose the fight. :!:

Let’s examine this claim.

1) Is the money that is used to create to Alaska Permanent Fund taken from companies that develop Alaska’s mineral resources?

2) Do the recipients of the money disbursed from the Alaska Permanent Fund include individuals who have done nothing to earn the money used to create to Alaska Permanent Fund?

“In Meaty’s little mind, this “fraction of wealth” that the oil and mineral companies are paying the state can not be in used any way, in any form, or its socialism through the redistribution of wealth… A pretty good argument he has set up, any use of government funds, however dervived, is socialism.”

I have made no such argument. Duncan’s decision to employ a straw man fallacy is unsurprising.

What a dork. He cannot offer a better argument than this. I wonder if he knows the worlds’ largest charitable organization happens to be the US Government? He can’t know. He’s too stupid. And close minded. And no matter what we try to educate him on, he won’t learn.

He is a leftard. A true bleu leftard.

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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If Meaty can show me, how Alaska’s plan is at all truly a socialist “program” then I might stop laughing at him and his playground buddies Jergens buddies. The “State” here has an interest in the production of oils and other natural products; a private company manages the production; people are not taxed on this just to see everyone else gain from this. The interest from the 25% investment is what the people GET.

This is, government working with private sector AND the people. It is not socialism. It is, at it’s best, capitalism at work. All those who have a vested interest here get something. Not all those get taxed to give everyone something. Big difference Meat Ball.