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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://andrightlyso.com/2008/12/02/kill-them-all-and-then-salt-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-75380</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like crime scenes in America, the forensics and charges and trials do nothing to end crime. 

Crime increases. 

Unlike America, the terrorists are not interested in any form of justice. They want to terrorize at all costs; so that we put our heads in the sand and therefore, surrender. Obama will surrender. With plates of cookies and cups of milk in hand...there is no understanding. There is no working together. There is no friendships here. 

It&#039;s us or them.

I chose US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like crime scenes in America, the forensics and charges and trials do nothing to end crime. </p>
<p>Crime increases. </p>
<p>Unlike America, the terrorists are not interested in any form of justice. They want to terrorize at all costs; so that we put our heads in the sand and therefore, surrender. Obama will surrender. With plates of cookies and cups of milk in hand&#8230;there is no understanding. There is no working together. There is no friendships here. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s us or them.</p>
<p>I chose US.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terri,


     The exact type of navel-gazing and hand-wringing I was referring too. Why do they hate us? They&#039;ve told us. Time and time again. We have not embraced Islam. We live contrary to their ways, and they believe it is their job to rectify the problem. Here is something that Mark Steyn &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ideology-mumbai-gunman-2242227-muslim-terrorists&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote the following&lt;/a&gt; the Mumbai attacks that I found insightful:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When terrorists attack, media analysts go into Sherlock Holmes mode, metaphorically prowling the crime scene for footprints, as if the way to solve the mystery is to add up all the clues. The Mumbai gunmen seized British and American tourists. Therefore, it must be an attack on Westerners!

....

But we&#039;re in danger of missing the forest for the trees. The forest is the ideology. It&#039;s the ideology that determines whether you can find enough young hotshot guys in the neighborhood willing to strap on a suicide belt or (rather more promising as a long-term career) at least grab an AK-47 and shoot up a hotel lobby. Or, if active terrorists are a bit thin on the ground, whether you can count at least on some degree of broader support on the ground. You&#039;re sitting in some distant foreign capital but you&#039;re of a mind to pull off a Mumbai-style operation in, say, Amsterdam or Manchester or Toronto. Where would you start? Easy. You know the radical mosques, and the other ideological front organizations. You&#039;ve already made landfall.

It&#039;s missing the point to get into debates about whether this is the &quot;Deccan Mujahideen&quot; or the ISI or al-Qaida or Lashkar-e-Taiba. That&#039;s a reductive argument. It could be all or none of them. The ideology has been so successfully seeded around the world that nobody needs a memo from corporate HQ to act: There are so many of these subgroups and individuals that they intersect across the planet in a million different ways. It&#039;s not the Cold War, with a small network of deep sleepers being directly controlled by Moscow. There are no membership cards, only an ideology. That&#039;s what has radicalized hitherto moderate Muslim communities from Indonesia to the central Asian &#039;stans to Yorkshire, and co-opted what started out as more or less conventional nationalist struggles in the Caucasus and the Balkans into mere tentacles of the global jihad.

Many of us, including the incoming Obama administration, look at this as a law-enforcement matter. Mumbai is a crime scene, so let&#039;s surround the perimeter with yellow police tape, send in the forensics squad, and then wait for the D.A. to file charges.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They have a radical ideology that drives them. And nothing but our submission will make them happy. And I don&#039;t plan to submit. In fact, I would rather visit violence upon them, wipe them out, instead of waiting for more of my fellow citizens to be wiped out in their next attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terri,</p>
<p>     The exact type of navel-gazing and hand-wringing I was referring too. Why do they hate us? They&#8217;ve told us. Time and time again. We have not embraced Islam. We live contrary to their ways, and they believe it is their job to rectify the problem. Here is something that Mark Steyn <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ideology-mumbai-gunman-2242227-muslim-terrorists" rel="nofollow">wrote the following</a> the Mumbai attacks that I found insightful:</p>
<blockquote><p>When terrorists attack, media analysts go into Sherlock Holmes mode, metaphorically prowling the crime scene for footprints, as if the way to solve the mystery is to add up all the clues. The Mumbai gunmen seized British and American tourists. Therefore, it must be an attack on Westerners!</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re in danger of missing the forest for the trees. The forest is the ideology. It&#8217;s the ideology that determines whether you can find enough young hotshot guys in the neighborhood willing to strap on a suicide belt or (rather more promising as a long-term career) at least grab an AK-47 and shoot up a hotel lobby. Or, if active terrorists are a bit thin on the ground, whether you can count at least on some degree of broader support on the ground. You&#8217;re sitting in some distant foreign capital but you&#8217;re of a mind to pull off a Mumbai-style operation in, say, Amsterdam or Manchester or Toronto. Where would you start? Easy. You know the radical mosques, and the other ideological front organizations. You&#8217;ve already made landfall.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s missing the point to get into debates about whether this is the &#8220;Deccan Mujahideen&#8221; or the ISI or al-Qaida or Lashkar-e-Taiba. That&#8217;s a reductive argument. It could be all or none of them. The ideology has been so successfully seeded around the world that nobody needs a memo from corporate HQ to act: There are so many of these subgroups and individuals that they intersect across the planet in a million different ways. It&#8217;s not the Cold War, with a small network of deep sleepers being directly controlled by Moscow. There are no membership cards, only an ideology. That&#8217;s what has radicalized hitherto moderate Muslim communities from Indonesia to the central Asian &#8217;stans to Yorkshire, and co-opted what started out as more or less conventional nationalist struggles in the Caucasus and the Balkans into mere tentacles of the global jihad.</p>
<p>Many of us, including the incoming Obama administration, look at this as a law-enforcement matter. Mumbai is a crime scene, so let&#8217;s surround the perimeter with yellow police tape, send in the forensics squad, and then wait for the D.A. to file charges.</p></blockquote>
<p>They have a radical ideology that drives them. And nothing but our submission will make them happy. And I don&#8217;t plan to submit. In fact, I would rather visit violence upon them, wipe them out, instead of waiting for more of my fellow citizens to be wiped out in their next attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

  First of all.. I am not calling for carpet bombing of every city/hamlet/village/wedding party in the Middle East and Central Asia, as attractive an option it might be... What I am saying is the time for &quot;understanding&quot; is over. The time for &quot;navel gazing&quot; is over. Short of &quot;compromising&quot; with evil, the option is to let our trained killers/interrogators/operatives do their damn jobs and start eradicated this vermin. People like you are against waterboarding while our troops are being tortured, murdered, and their bodies violated. They&#039;d love to be waterboarded compared to what they faced. I am calling for extreme and cold violence against our enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>  First of all.. I am not calling for carpet bombing of every city/hamlet/village/wedding party in the Middle East and Central Asia, as attractive an option it might be&#8230; What I am saying is the time for &#8220;understanding&#8221; is over. The time for &#8220;navel gazing&#8221; is over. Short of &#8220;compromising&#8221; with evil, the option is to let our trained killers/interrogators/operatives do their damn jobs and start eradicated this vermin. People like you are against waterboarding while our troops are being tortured, murdered, and their bodies violated. They&#8217;d love to be waterboarded compared to what they faced. I am calling for extreme and cold violence against our enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terri you are very uninformed.

The 9-11 terrorists were college educated young men. Who lived in Saudi Arabia and had good lives. Education and poverty are not issues for most of these people. It is a fundamental HATRED of our lifestyle- of being free- that drives this hatred. Short of giving up most of our freedoms and our very way of life, our culture, our diverse religions, we will always be hated by these Islamic extremists. There is no pacifying them- and until you understand that you&#039;re doomed to be a victim of their hate. Just like the people killed on 9-11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terri you are very uninformed.</p>
<p>The 9-11 terrorists were college educated young men. Who lived in Saudi Arabia and had good lives. Education and poverty are not issues for most of these people. It is a fundamental HATRED of our lifestyle- of being free- that drives this hatred. Short of giving up most of our freedoms and our very way of life, our culture, our diverse religions, we will always be hated by these Islamic extremists. There is no pacifying them- and until you understand that you&#8217;re doomed to be a victim of their hate. Just like the people killed on 9-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terri,

I can&#039;t really be sure of the precise reasons for their hate, but if I can be permitted an educated guess, I&#039;d say it&#039;s borne out of their religious fanaticism.  I think that they regard the practice of any religion other than islam (as they define it) as a sin so insideously evil as to deserve death.  As for us, western civilization has grown out of its religious desire for conquest (such as the Crusades), perhaps because we realized that such violence has no basis in our Scriptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terri,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really be sure of the precise reasons for their hate, but if I can be permitted an educated guess, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s borne out of their religious fanaticism.  I think that they regard the practice of any religion other than islam (as they define it) as a sin so insideously evil as to deserve death.  As for us, western civilization has grown out of its religious desire for conquest (such as the Crusades), perhaps because we realized that such violence has no basis in our Scriptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bigfoot-

I know it sounds sophomoric, but I think it&#039;s a critical question: Why do you think they hate?  And why don&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bigfoot-</p>
<p>I know it sounds sophomoric, but I think it&#8217;s a critical question: Why do you think they hate?  And why don&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Bigfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terri, in my view, the cause of the Mumbai terrorist&#039;s problem is not poverty or lack of education, but their own bigotted hate for people different from themselves.  They are analogous to the nazis in their hatred of Jews or the KKK in their hatred of blacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terri, in my view, the cause of the Mumbai terrorist&#8217;s problem is not poverty or lack of education, but their own bigotted hate for people different from themselves.  They are analogous to the nazis in their hatred of Jews or the KKK in their hatred of blacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how you can try to investigate the cause of a problem without inevitably learning about why someone would do something like that.  Surely, the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan war have shown us that &quot;just killing all the bad guys&quot; would be far too expensive.  And remember, this is an act of people within a culture.  Sooner or later, more people will do the same thing if they exist within the same culture.  Unfortunately, the only solution may be to try to find a way to compromise.  If they are religious fundamentalists, we cannot compromise with them and should probably be killed, but if they are fundamentalists it is probably so because they live an imporverished and uneducated culture.  (A higher percentage of people without a college education than the general population are Christian fundamentalists).  Sure, dumb hippies think we should just love everyone and it will all be o.k., but I think a more sophisticated argument says that we should try to learn the cause of a problem before we can learn how to resolve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can try to investigate the cause of a problem without inevitably learning about why someone would do something like that.  Surely, the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan war have shown us that &#8220;just killing all the bad guys&#8221; would be far too expensive.  And remember, this is an act of people within a culture.  Sooner or later, more people will do the same thing if they exist within the same culture.  Unfortunately, the only solution may be to try to find a way to compromise.  If they are religious fundamentalists, we cannot compromise with them and should probably be killed, but if they are fundamentalists it is probably so because they live an imporverished and uneducated culture.  (A higher percentage of people without a college education than the general population are Christian fundamentalists).  Sure, dumb hippies think we should just love everyone and it will all be o.k., but I think a more sophisticated argument says that we should try to learn the cause of a problem before we can learn how to resolve it.</p>
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